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Since Bruce got me on a rant about democracy today, I thought I would start a topic here in the GF folder. If ou would like to discuss current events or politics, post your comment/question here. I will bash you accordingly.

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So that's what is wrong with you. I knew it was something.

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Clinton did not do a bad job, so he got some head.. big deal. Look at what he had to settle for. I would much rather a president that got head and smoked pot than a president that did designer drugs. HEAD and POT are the working mans toys. Coke is a 1337 drug that makes columbians rich.

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It's not so much that he got some, it's the fact that if he has that poor judgement in his personal life, how much does he have as President? His whole life has been a series of shady deals and under the table politics. I know that a LOT of politics is under the table, but it doesn't have to be. At least in a perfect world. I would like to say that the people are smart, they can make decisions. They are not, they are stupid. A person is smart, people are dumb. I will give you an example. Taxes. If you say that a flat rate of 15% is right, what stops politicos from taking 100%? If you say they have a right to any portion of your earnings, then they have a right to all of it. Consumption taxes, duties and levies are the only true form of taxation. A man can not be taxed on earnings, only income. I know it sounds like the same thing, but it's not and the only way to tax income is to tax consumption. I will have more later. Thus begins the lesson.

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I think consumption taxes are the best way myself.

If you spend money you get taxed. If you save money you don't.

If we had a National Sales Tax instead of an Income Tax, then all the illegals and tourists would help support the Government too. If a foreign entity buys an office building TAX 'em. Etc. With this tax there should also be no taxation on food, utilities and Rent. This way the poor would not be penalized for merely existing and would leave them with more money for education (or drugs :lol:).

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zactly, duties and consumption taxes are the way to go. But how will we take care of the (insert favorite group here). Charities, plain and simple. How would you feel if I came over to your house and demanded you give me 30% of everything you have in your wallet, bank, etc.? Pretty pissed? Would you give it to me? Hell no! The government does this all the time in the form of taxes. The taxes you pay go to people you don't know, for reasons you can only guess. The tribute you pay to the king is supposed to be used for the benefit of all citizens, not the preferred entitled jackasses of the month. How does the gubmint get away with it? Again, very simple, with guns. Lots of guns. If people don't want to do something, you make them do it. Ever wonder why our paper money says "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private" o it? Cause they had to pass a law to make people accept it. It's fiat money, money created from debt.

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well there goes the saying "you must spend money to earn money". i dont know alot about this stuff but these few posts have boggled my mind. i like the idea about the sales tax, lets start a forum poll and then take it to congress on behalf of our COD clan. the only problem is, all of our society would turn itno base campers and never spend money becasue they wouldnt want to be taxed. our economy would plummit and all major bands would have to hail to TrueValue and Sam's Choice- but if you are a college student- hehe we are already use to this huh frosty

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The rub is not everything would be taxed. Barter is a nice word and would make a tremendous comeback as the trading method of choice.

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This whole post can really cause some trouble.

Clinton? what a jerk. Could have been a Rhodes Scholar, blew it (pardon the pun). Shady deals is just the start of it. I didn't like the way he handled himself at ALL. His body language spoke of an untrustworthy individual. His actions proved it. As Bruce said "he got some head" yes, and he shook his finger in our faces and said he didn't - a flat out lie. Can't trust him after that. He defiled the office and made a mockery out of our county. Not only in his public life were there issues but in private as well. Did you know the Secret Service had to work on the 2nd floor of the white house - their living quarters? Why? Cause they had to protect the president from his wife. She seemed to like to throw things at him, and they had to protect him. Is this a guy we want running anything? Not in my book!

Taxes. Tough question. Flat tax would be nice. No matter how much you make, send in X%. that is fare for all. Some want to tax the rich on a sliding scale (like today) I think that is bunk. They pay more already because they make more. They should not be penalized for making money! Don't make sence to me. There are issues with a flat tax as well, and not enough space in the forums to go into it all, but it could be better for the wage earners (get w-2) the others is a whole other issue.

Tax just who spends... well that could stifle the economy. Less spending means less goods bought, less services bought, less jobs needed to fill the need.... vicious circle.

This should be an interesting thread!

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Absolutely, Old Man. It should be very interesting. I won't allow it to turn into a name calling or flaming fest. I just thought it would be nice to have somewhere to talk about current events. One can make all the arguments one wants, but any and all posts out of bounds will be deleted and the offender warned. As far as the boundaries....since I started the thread, I will decide what goes and what stays. I will not censor any opinions unless they cross the bounds of race, creed, public decency or trampling on the UK Wildcats.

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Wildcats suck LOL.

Thats a hole other issue.

Now taxes are a way of controling who and what is done. I spent many of hours researching taxes. And if you want to now how to go around them than this is for the college student.

first off claim everthing after you make yourself exempt. even if you dont have a job. you can still file tax returns in most states. and I mean everything. (examples hair cuts, underwear, socks shoes, books, pencils, pens, pants, shirts, and your rent. ) If you pay taxes on it you can claim it. 9 times out of 10 students that are in college will get your money back.you live on credit so you should claim all spendings exept your weekend beer runs. Now for those that have a hard time that are not in school. If you start a buisness and you sell one item a month it does not matter what it is, youcan and should claim anything that is asociated with that buisness should be claimed (example internet,cell phone, house phone, computer,softwear, hair cuts to look presentable,

shoes same as hair cuts, pants, gas milage if you have to travel to pick up item and or drop item off ) these are a few ways of getting around taxes you get most of them back at the end of the year. I ran my own buisness for lawn care I was able to claim my auto moble insurance.

Here is the big kicker though if you can show a loss in spending than you will do a hole lot better in dodging the taxes even if you show a loss say of 100 dollars for the year. see the funny thing is that my tax guy was the one who told me all about these short cuts. And yes you can even claim him meaning the tax preparer.

Now Clinton was a wast of our tax dollars at work. He worked so hard at getting out of work that he forgot why he was in office. Now a good president that would make a diffrence would be Ross Perow. he is a multimillionaire that has promised if elected he would fix the buget deficet. And if he failed that he would pay for it out of his own pocket.

Now as far as flat rate taxes are conserned not a good idea it leaves to much room for error. I personaly think that we should be taxed annualy at the end of each year. thus how much money you spend at the end of the year is how much you get taxed. their for bussiness that spend a lot get taxed a lot less taxes we have comming out of our pocket. I did research on this in college and it came out to about the average family that earns 60 thousand a year gets taxed about 6,000 dollars and thats it. but if you are a company that grosses a lot and spend a lot then they get taxed up the wazzu. but that would also eliminate taxes on items bought. So you would not get taxed if you went to go to the store for anything.

This post has me all hiped up Im going to quit for now cause I can talk for hours on this subject.

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Also I do not vote for one political party. Reason being that if say for argument sake that the Republicans have a bozo running for office and he or she is not in my eyes the best canidate for the job then I'm not going to vote that way. I chose to vote as for which ever party has the best canidate at that time. Now if all parties running have bozo's then I will pick the most likely to do the least amount of damage to our great nation. Such as what is in office today. now back to the tax thing here is a good exaple of flat rate taxing.

Take a family of three with a income of 40 thousand, why should that family have to pay as much taxes as say a family of four that make 80 thousand. It is not fair to the family of three.

now look at this perspective and see what you think. take a fammily of 6 and an anual income of 80 thousand. average spending for the month is very high,about 2 thousand a month for day care, grociers, insurance, house or rent payment, gas, water, electric,auto loan/s, and entertainment, going out to eat twice a month, soap/laundry and cleaning, auto maintance,and any other expencies I have for gotten. and alll the taxing that goes right along with that spending. now you take away the taxes on all that spending and now it cost that family about 4 houndred less than their 2 thousand so that is a total of 48thousand dollars a year less if they dont have to pay taxes on every thing they buy. so they are now able to afford more taxes at the end of the year. so you would take that saving plus the fedral tax that is taken out of your 70 thousand a year income which is around 19 thousand then add the 48 thousand and 19 thousand then divide that by 3 and you end up with 22thousand 4hounderd. and that is all that family should be taxed. Now here is where it becomes interesting, no more claiming of taxes at all. you get deducted acording to income shown. that way if a family is stuggling then they dont get hit as hard. Also the end of the year deficit would not be as large(suposable depends on who is in office.) but if the plan works the way it is supose to not as many poeple would be out of jobs. you also have to look at the unemployment rate as well.if you are unemployed only 1/8th of the taxes goes to unemployed. And no more than 6 months of unemloyment checks would be issued to you in a 3 year period. If you were to end up on unemployment. so that would limit the amount of gready people that say they can not work.this also makes it harder for those that actully deserve being on unemployment. If you you are disablied then that is under a diffrent fund, but If you take the average home with the average family the income is 50 thousand a year. so that is about 15 to 18 thousand a year in taxes. multiply that buy the number of family's in the united states. and that number is some where in the billions, you end up with 32 trillion dollars a year payed to the gobomint. Now do you think that we would ever run into a deficit problem again? :huh:

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Now who would like to discuse health care?

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haha i persoanlly like Bush, and this would have happened to no mater who was president but.........

this seems like a good analogy:

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On another distorted topic, waddup with Michael? The monkey not enough for him?

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omg i was just going to bring this up. well he posted the 3 million dollar bail. his eriehnment is in January. and i think he is in trouble since the California laws have changed because of this same problem in 1993. I have been sick these last couple days so I have cought too much of this on the TV. One was saying that he gave some children wine and sleeping pills.......and a bed.

littleboys---> :wacko::blink::wacko: :bath :boff <----Michael

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He got tierd of spanking his monkey and wanted to try some one elses monkey for a change :sign-oops

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I wonder if they are going to start a new trend in the big house? Has to do with a glove and a pair of parachute pants with a butt flap.

Micheal is going to jail Its about fricking time.

And Top shot dont worry he will be out real soon so you can go back over to his house later.

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